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Table of Contents



Table of Contents: Why I Am Catholic

1. Start Here

  1. About this Blog
  2. Catholic Q & A
  3. Joining or Returning to the Catholic Church
  4. Living the Catholic Faith: The Precepts of The Church
  5. Basic Catholic Prayers
  6. Catholic Groups I am a Member of

2. Why I Am Catholic

  1. The True Name of the Church and Why I Am Catholic
  2. Why I’m Catholic: Overcoming Distrust of Organized Religion and Deep-Seated Protestant Misconceptions
  3. The Roman Catholic Church Is the Temporal Kingdom of God on Earth
  4. A History of Religion: From Early Humans to the Catholic Church
  5. Church History: If Jesus & the Apostles were Jews, why aren’t we Catholic Christians Jewish?
  6. The Catholic Church & The Gospel: Keeping it Simple but True
  7. Are Catholics “Saved”: The Catholic Teaching on Salvation
  8. The Catholic Church Teaches the Full Gospel of Salvation
  9. Christ is King!
  10. Why do Catholics try to convert people to their Church instead of to Christ?
  11. Ancestry & Tradition: Italian Catholicism

3. Scripture, Tradition, and Authority

  1. Bible Verses That Prove the Catholic Church
  2. Why I cannot agree with sola scriptura
  3. Which Came First: The Church or the Bible?
  4. Is the Church or the Bible the pillar and foundation of truth?
  5. Scripture
  6. The Bible: Sacred Scripture
  7. Apostolic Tradition
  8. The Catechism of the Catholic Church
  9. The Teaching Authority: Magisterium of The Church
  10. The Catholic Church’s Leadership Structure: Influences from Jewish and Roman Traditions

4. The Church, Papacy, and Apostolic Succession

  1. The Church
  2. The Church as Mother and Teacher
  3. The Papacy
  4. “The Word ‘Pope’ Is Not In the Bible!”
  5. Was Peter in Rome?
  6. Apostolic Succession
  7. The Bad Popes: How Can I Be Catholic When Some Popes Were So Terrible?
  8. The Catholic Church is led by sinners therefore you should not be Catholic!

5. Core Catholic Beliefs

  1. What the Catholic Church teaches about Jesus
  2. Salvation
  3. The Sacraments
  4. What the Church teaches about Baptism
  5. What the Church teaches about the Eucharist / Lord’s Supper
  6. History & Theology of The Catholic Mass
  7. Confessing Sins to a Priest
  8. Purgatory and Indulgences
  9. The Nicene Creed
  10. The Apostles’ Creed
  11. The End Times

6. Mary, Saints, and the Communion of Saints

  1. The Communion of Saints
  2. Praying to the Saints
  3. Do Catholics Pray to “Dead Saints”?
  4. What the Church Teaches about Mary
  5. Mary: Mother of God & Queen of Heaven & The Pagan Connection
  6. Mary & The Saints Are Pagan!
  7. Are Catholic Saints Renamed Pagan Gods? Separating Fact from Fiction
  8. THE DIVINE COUNCIL, THE COMMUNION OF SAINTS, & the Gospel

7. Common Objections and Anti-Catholic Claims

  1. Call No Man “Father”?
  2. There is no salvation outside the Catholic Church
  3. The Catholic Church Forbid the Laity from reading Scripture…
  4. The Evil Catholic Church Hid the Name of God!
  5. The Catholic Church will enact a mandatory “National Sunday Law” which is the mark of the beast!
  6. The Whore of Babylon and the Beast in Revelation
  7. The Catholic Church is the Whore of Babylon & The Pope is the Antichrist

8. Paganism and Conspiracy Theory Claims

  1. “Pagan” Holidays
  2. Anti-Catholic Conspiracy Theories
  3. Pagans!
  4. The Catholic Church is Pagan!
  5. The Papacy is Pagan!
  6. The Vatican Is Pagan!
  7. The Trinity is Pagan!
  8. God’s Holy Days or “Pagan” Holy Days
  9. Sunday Worship is Pagan!
  10. Valentine’s Day is Pagan!
  11. Mardi Gras is Pagan
  12. Lent is Pagan!
  13. Lent & Other Christian Holidays Are “Man-made Traditions”
  14. Palm Sunday in the Catholic Church
  15. Easter is Pagan!
  16. Reclaiming Halloween
  17. Advent is Pagan!
  18. Christmas is Pagan!
  19. New Years is Pagan!
  20. The Mass is Pagan!
  21. Did Catholic Christianity Copy Mithraism?
  22. Debunking the Myth: Is Catholicism a Continuation of Babylonian Paganism?
  23. Simon Magus Founded the Catholic Church
  24. Christianity is the Worship of Serapis Rebranded

10. Catholicism and Other Religions

  1. Introduction: Ecumenism and Interreligious Dialogue
  2. The Catholic Church and the Orthodox Churches
  3. The Catholic Church & Lutherans
  4. The Catholic Church & Evangelicals
  5. The Catholic Church’s View on Mormonism
  6. The Catholic Perspective on Jehovah’s Witnesses
  7. The Catholic Church & The Seventh-Day Adventists
  8. The Catholic Church’s View on the Jewish People and Religion
  9. The Catholic Church and Islam
  10. Why I’d Probably Be Bahá’í — If I Weren’t So Deeply Catholic
  11. The Catholic Church & Hinduism
  12. The Catholic Church and Buddhism

11. Catholicism and Public Life

  1. Pope Leo XIV: The First American Pope — and a Bridge Between Continents
  2. President Trump, Pope Leo, and the Catholic Way to Disagree
  3. A Catholic Reflection on American Independence Day and America’s 250th Birthday
  4. Why I Can Be Catholic—and Still Support ICE
  5. You Can’t Support I.C.E. and be Catholic!
  6. The Genocide of Christians in Nigeria
  7. Catholics & Zionism
  8. A Catholic Perspective on the Israel–Palestine Conflict
  9. Catholics & Palestine
  10. Antisemitism, Holocaust Denial, and the Demands of Catholic Truth
  11. The Church Fathers & Antisemitism
  12. The Catholic Church and Native Americans

12. Saints, Feasts, and Catholic Tradition

  1. Saint Feast Days
  2. Ancient Churches and Christian Sites
  3. Saint Anthony of Padua: A Feast of Faith, Bread, Lilies, and Italian Devotion

13. Historical Fiction and Creative Catholic Writing

  1. The Last Shepherds of Zion
  2. The Rock in the Tiber
  3. The Last Judgment

14. Behind the Scenes

  1. Using AI Like ChatGPT Ethically

Catholics and Protestants: Is Christianity an Invisible Movement or a Visible Kingdom? A Catholic Reflection on the Real Difference



Catholics and Protestants: Is Christianity an Invisible Movement or a Visible Kingdom?

A Catholic Reflection on the Real Difference

By Chris M. Forte

Abstract

Catholics and Protestants often debate Scripture, Tradition, the papacy, Mary, the Eucharist, justification, saints, purgatory, and Church authority. These are important disagreements, but in my view they all flow from one deeper question: What is the Church?

Many Protestants understand the true Church primarily as the invisible communion of all true believers. Visible churches, pastors, elders, denominations, and institutions may be useful, biblical, and even necessary for good order, but they are not usually understood as the essential visible Kingdom structure established by Christ. Catholicism sees the matter differently. To Catholics, Christianity is not merely a spiritual movement of believers. It is the renewed and fulfilled Davidic Kingdom of Israel: the Kingdom of God established by Jesus Christ, the Son of David. Christ is King; Mary is the Queen Mother; Peter and his successors hold the keys as chief stewards; and the bishops, successors of the apostles, govern in communion with the successor of Peter.

This article argues that the most fundamental Catholic-Protestant difference is ecclesiology: whether Christianity is primarily an invisible fellowship of believers or the visible, sacramental Kingdom Christ founded in history.


Introduction: The Question Underneath Every Catholic-Protestant Debate

When Catholics and Protestants argue, we usually go straight to the familiar topics: the Bible, Tradition, faith and works, the pope, Mary, confession, the Mass, purgatory, or the saints.

Those issues matter. I am not dismissing them. But I have come to believe they are not the deepest issue.

The deepest issue is this:

What did Jesus actually establish?

Did He leave behind a Bible and a loose spiritual fellowship of believers? Did He inspire a movement that later became organized for practical reasons? Did He create a Church only in the invisible sense, known perfectly to God, while visible churches remain temporary human arrangements?

Or did Jesus establish a visible Kingdom, with covenant authority, apostles, sacraments, hierarchy, and a steward who holds the keys?

That is the real dividing line.

In my view, Catholicism makes the most sense when we stop thinking of Christianity as merely a “religion” in the modern private sense and start thinking biblically. Jesus did not simply come to launch a new denomination, philosophy, or inspirational movement. He came as the Messiah, the Son of David, to establish the Kingdom of God. That Kingdom is not merely emotional, symbolic, or invisible. It is historical, sacramental, apostolic, and visible.

That is why I am Catholic.

Not because every Catholic leader has been holy. Not because every pope, bishop, priest, or lay Catholic has lived up to the Gospel. Obviously, they have not. The sins of Catholics are real. The scandals are real. The failures are real.

But human failure does not erase divine institution.

The Catholic claim is not that Catholics are better people. The Catholic claim is that Christ founded a visible Church, and that this Church is the renewed Kingdom of Israel made present in history.


I. The Protestant View: The Invisible Church of All True Believers

To be fair, Protestantism is not one single thing. Lutherans, Anglicans, Presbyterians, Baptists, Methodists, Pentecostals, Evangelicals, and non-denominational Christians do not all understand the Church in exactly the same way. Some Protestants have bishops. Some have elders. Some have formal confessions. Some have liturgy. Some are very structured. Others are much more informal.

So I do not want to misrepresent Protestants.

Historic Protestantism does not necessarily deny the visible church. For example, the Westminster Confession of Faith, Chapter 25, distinguishes between the invisible Church and the visible Church. It says the invisible Church consists of the whole number of the elect gathered under Christ, while the visible Church consists of those throughout the world who profess the true religion and their children.

The Augsburg Confession, Article VII, says the Church is the congregation of saints in which the Gospel is rightly taught and the sacraments are rightly administered. The Anglican Thirty-Nine Articles, Article XIX, define the visible Church as a congregation where the pure Word of God is preached and the sacraments are duly ministered.

So again, I am not saying Protestants reject all visible structure. They do not.

But there is a common Protestant instinct that differs sharply from Catholicism: the true Church is ultimately the invisible communion of true believers known fully to God. Visible organization matters, but it is not usually seen as the essential Kingdom structure Christ established in the Catholic sense.

A pastor, elders, local congregation, denomination, or church board may be beneficial. It may even be considered biblically appropriate. But if a structure becomes corrupt, Protestants usually believe Christians may separate, reform, reorganize, or establish another visible church around the true preaching of the Gospel.

That is why Protestantism can multiply into thousands of denominations while still claiming spiritual unity in the invisible Church.

The Catholic view is different.

For Catholics, the visible structure is not merely practical. It is not just a helpful container for Christian spirituality. It belongs to the nature of the Church Christ founded.


II. The Catholic View: The Church Is Visible and Spiritual

Catholicism does not deny that the Church has an invisible spiritual dimension. Of course she does. Grace is invisible. The soul is invisible. God alone knows perfectly who is truly faithful. Not everyone visibly inside the Church is holy, and not everyone visibly outside her boundaries is without grace.

But Catholicism refuses to separate the invisible Church from the visible Church as if Jesus founded one and man invented the other.

The Catechism of the Catholic Church teaches that the Church is “both visible and spiritual,” a “hierarchical society” and the “Mystical Body of Christ.” That is the Catholic both/and.

The Church is visible because the Incarnation is visible.

The Word became flesh. God entered history. Christ did not save us by remaining distant, abstract, and invisible. He took on a real body, spoke real words, touched real people, chose real apostles, gave real sacraments, and founded a real Church.

So why would His Church be merely invisible?

Catholicism is sacramental because Christianity itself is incarnational. God uses visible signs to communicate invisible grace. Water is used in Baptism. Bread and wine become the Eucharist. Human words become absolution. Human hands ordain. Human shepherds govern.

This is not a betrayal of the Gospel. This is how the Gospel takes flesh in history.


III. Jesus Did Not Merely Start a Movement

One of the most important biblical facts is that Jesus preached the Kingdom of God.

He did not merely preach “accept Me into your heart” in the individualistic modern sense. He did not merely gather people into a loose spiritual network. He proclaimed that the Kingdom was at hand.

That matters.

The Kingdom of God was not a vague religious feeling. It was the fulfillment of Israel’s hopes. Jesus was announced as the Son of David. Gabriel told Mary that her Son would receive the throne of His father David and that His Kingdom would have no end. Jesus entered Jerusalem as King. He was crucified under the title “King of the Jews.”

In other words, Jesus’ mission was royal, covenantal, and messianic.

This is the foundation of Catholic ecclesiology.

If Jesus is the Davidic King, then the Church is not merely a voluntary association of believers. It is the renewed and fulfilled Davidic Kingdom of Israel. It is Israel restored, expanded, and universalized in Christ.

The Catholic Church is not simply “organized religion.” She is not merely a denomination. She is the visible Kingdom community established by the King.

That does not mean the Church is already perfect in her members. The Kingdom is already present but not yet fully consummated. The weeds and wheat grow together until the end. But the Kingdom is truly present.

That is why the Catholic Church can be both holy and filled with sinners. She is holy because Christ is holy, her sacraments are holy, her doctrine is holy, and her mission is holy. She is filled with sinners because we are the ones Christ came to save.


IV. The Twelve Apostles and the Renewed Israel

Jesus did not randomly choose twelve apostles.

He chose twelve because Israel had twelve tribes.

That act was not accidental. It was symbolic, covenantal, and governmental. Jesus was reconstituting Israel around Himself.

He even told the apostles that they would sit on twelve thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel. Thrones and judgment are royal images. They imply authority. They imply governance. They imply a Kingdom.

This is why I cannot accept the idea that Christianity is simply a nebulous spiritual movement. Jesus’ own actions point in the opposite direction. He gathered disciples, yes, but from among them He chose the Twelve. From among the Twelve, Peter receives a unique role. Then the apostolic mission continues through successors.

The apostles were not merely inspirational preachers.

They were the foundation stones of the renewed Israel.

The bishops are not merely religious administrators.

They are successors of the apostles.

The pope is not merely a religious CEO.

He is the successor of Peter, the chief steward of the Kingdom.


V. Peter, the Keys, and the Davidic Chief Steward

This is where Catholicism and Protestantism separate most clearly.

In Matthew 16, Jesus says to Peter:

“You are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church.”

Then Jesus gives Peter the keys of the Kingdom and the authority to bind and loose.

Many Protestants interpret this differently. Some say the rock is Peter’s confession of faith. Some say Peter represents all believers. Some say the authority belongs only to the apostolic message. Catholics do not deny that Peter’s faith matters. Catholics do not deny that the apostles share authority. Catholics do not deny that the Church confesses Christ.

But Catholics insist that Peter personally receives a unique office.

The key is the keys.

In Isaiah 22, the Davidic king appoints a chief steward over the royal household. This steward receives the key of the house of David. He opens and no one shuts; he shuts and no one opens. This is not vague religious symbolism. It is royal household authority.

So when Jesus, the Son of David, gives Peter the keys of the Kingdom, Catholics see a direct biblical connection. Jesus is the King. Peter is the chief steward. The pope, as Peter’s successor, continues that office in history.

The pope does not replace Christ. He serves Christ.

The pope is not king. Christ is King.

The pope is not the source of truth. Christ is Truth.

The pope is not above Scripture. He is servant of the Word of God.

But if Jesus established a Kingdom and gave keys to Peter, then the papacy is not a medieval invention. It is the continuation of the Kingdom’s steward-office.

The Second Vatican Council’s Lumen Gentium teaches that the Roman Pontiff, as successor of Peter, is the perpetual and visible principle and foundation of unity for both the bishops and the faithful. The Vatican document The Primacy of the Successor of Peter explains the same point: the Petrine ministry exists to serve the unity of faith and communion.

That is why I remain Catholic.

If Christ founded a Kingdom, and if that Kingdom has keys, and if those keys belong to a steward-office, then the papacy is not an optional Catholic extra. It belongs to the architecture of the Kingdom.


VI. Mary as Queen Mother

The same Kingdom framework also explains Mary.

Many Protestants think Catholics exaggerate Mary because they assume Marian devotion competes with Christ. But in Catholic theology, Mary’s honor depends entirely on Christ’s kingship.

If Jesus is the Son of David, then Mary is the Mother of the King.

In the Davidic kingdom, the queen was often not the king’s wife but the king’s mother. The queen mother had an honored position in the royal court. She interceded. She represented the dignity of the kingdom. Her status came from her son.

Catholics honor Mary because Jesus is King.

Mary is not a goddess. She is not equal to Christ. She is not the source of grace. She is not the Savior.

She is the Mother of the King.

The Catechism teaches that Mary was exalted by the Lord as Queen over all things so that she might be more fully conformed to her Son. Her queenship is derivative, maternal, and Christ-centered.

This is why Catholic doctrine holds together. The papacy, the bishops, Mary, the sacraments, apostolic succession, and visible unity are not random Catholic inventions. They all flow from the same biblical vision:

Christianity is the fulfilled Kingdom of Israel.


VII. Bishops as Successors of the Apostles

If Jesus founded a visible Kingdom, then apostolic authority must continue after the apostles die. Otherwise, Christ created a visible apostolic structure for one generation only and then allowed it to disappear.

Catholicism teaches that bishops succeed the apostles.

This does not mean every bishop is personally holy. Obviously not. It does not mean every bishop is wise, courageous, or faithful in practice. History proves otherwise. But the weakness of the man does not erase the reality of the office.

The office matters because Christ established a Church that continues through history.

The bishops teach, sanctify, and govern. They preserve apostolic doctrine. They ordain priests and deacons. They shepherd local churches. Together with the pope, they maintain visible communion across the world.

This is why Catholic unity is not merely spiritual agreement. It is visible communion: unity in faith, sacraments, and apostolic government.

The Catechism teaches that the sole Church of Christ subsists in the Catholic Church, governed by the successor of Peter and the bishops in communion with him, while also recognizing that many elements of sanctification and truth exist outside her visible boundaries.

That last point matters.

Catholicism does not say Protestants have nothing. Catholicism says they have much: Scripture, baptism, prayer, faith in Christ, moral seriousness, preaching, love for God, and many elements of truth and sanctification.

But Catholicism also says they lack full visible communion with the apostolic structure Christ established.

That is the difference.


VIII. The Early Church Was Visible, Apostolic, and Hierarchical

The early Church does not look like modern non-denominational evangelicalism. It also does not look like a vague invisible movement.

It was visible. It had bishops, presbyters, deacons, sacraments, discipline, liturgy, and apostolic succession.

Clement of Rome, writing at the end of the first century, says the apostles appointed bishops and deacons and made provision for ministry to continue. His First Letter to the Corinthians shows concern for order, authority, and succession very early in Christian history.

Ignatius of Antioch, writing in the early second century, strongly emphasizes unity with the bishop. In his Letter to the Smyrnaeans, he says that where the bishop appears, there the people should be, just as where Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church.

Irenaeus of Lyons, writing in the second century, argues against heresy by appealing to apostolic succession, especially the succession of bishops in Rome. In Against Heresies, he points to the Church of Rome’s apostolic authority as a standard against false teaching.

This does not mean every later Catholic development was already fully expressed in the first century in the same language used today. Doctrine develops. Institutions develop. The Church grows as she reflects on the deposit of faith.

But development is not invention.

An acorn becomes an oak tree. It does not become a different species.

The Catholic Church developed because living things develop. The question is whether the development remains organically connected to what Christ and the apostles established. I believe it does.


IX. Why This Explains the Other Catholic-Protestant Differences

Once we understand this central disagreement, the other disagreements become easier to understand.

If the Church is primarily the invisible fellowship of true believers, then sola scriptura makes sense. Scripture becomes the final public authority because no visible Church office can claim universal binding authority.

But if the Church is the visible apostolic Kingdom Christ founded, then Scripture belongs within the living Tradition and teaching authority of that Church. The Bible is not less important in Catholicism. It is the inspired Word of God. But it was written, preserved, proclaimed, canonized, and interpreted within the Church.

If the Church is primarily invisible, then denominational division can be treated as unfortunate but not fatal. True believers remain spiritually one in Christ.

But if the Church is visible, then visible division is a wound against Christ’s intended unity.

If the Church is primarily invisible, then pastors and elders may be important for teaching and order.

But if the Church is the renewed Davidic Kingdom, then bishops in apostolic succession are not merely useful leaders. They belong to the Church’s constitution.

If Christianity is an invisible movement, then Catholic hierarchy looks like later human bureaucracy.

But if Christianity is the Kingdom of God in history, then Catholic hierarchy looks like biblical continuity.

That is why Catholic and Protestant debates often go in circles. We are not always arguing from the same map.

The Protestant map often says:

The Church is where true believers gather around the Gospel.

The Catholic map says:

The Church is the renewed Israel, visibly gathered into Christ’s Kingdom through apostles, sacraments, bishops, and communion with Peter.

Those are very different visions.


X. My Personal View

I do not write this because I hate Protestants. I do not.

Many Protestants love Jesus deeply. Many read Scripture more seriously than many Catholics. Many live lives of sincere prayer, repentance, sacrifice, and evangelization. Many put lukewarm Catholics to shame by their devotion.

I respect that.

But I cannot accept Protestant ecclesiology.

I cannot accept that Jesus founded something essentially invisible and that visible structure is secondary. I cannot accept that the Church can be reduced to wherever believers gather and preach the Gospel correctly. I cannot accept that apostolic authority disappeared into the Bible alone, leaving every generation to reconstruct Christianity by private interpretation.

For me, Christianity is not a nebulous spiritual movement.

It is a Kingdom.

It has a King.

It has a Queen Mother.

It has apostles seated on thrones.

It has a chief steward with keys.

It has bishops who succeed the apostles.

It has sacraments that communicate grace.

It has visible unity because the Incarnation itself is visible.

The invisible God became visible in Christ. So it makes sense that Christ’s Kingdom would have a visible body in history.

That body is the Catholic Church.


Conclusion: Jesus Built a Church, Not a Cloud

The difference between Catholics and Protestants is not just one doctrine among many. It is a difference over the nature of the Church itself.

Protestantism, in many of its forms, sees the Church primarily as the invisible communion of true believers, with visible churches serving as important communities of preaching, worship, discipline, and fellowship.

Catholicism sees the Church as both visible and spiritual, both human and divine, both hierarchical society and Mystical Body of Christ.

The Catholic Church is not merely a denomination. She is the renewed and fulfilled Davidic Kingdom of Israel: the Kingdom of God established by Jesus Christ and extended through history.

That is why Catholicism has a pope.
That is why Catholicism has bishops.
That is why Catholicism has sacraments.
That is why Catholicism honors Mary.
That is why Catholicism insists on visible unity.

These are not random traditions piled on top of the Gospel.

They are the architecture of the Kingdom.

Jesus did not merely inspire a movement.

He built His Church.

And if He built it, then I want to be inside what He built.


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Tuesday, June 30, 2026

The Bad Popes: How Can I Be Catholic When Some Popes Were So Terrible?

 


The Bad Popes: How Can I Be Catholic When Some Popes Were So Terrible?

I love the Catholic Church. I believe she is the Church founded by Jesus Christ. I believe in the Eucharist, the sacraments, apostolic succession, the communion of saints, Sacred Scripture, Sacred Tradition, and the authority Christ gave to Peter and the apostles.

But I will be honest: the history of the “bad popes” bothers me.

It should bother us.

There have been popes who were saints, martyrs, reformers, theologians, missionaries, defenders of the poor, and courageous shepherds of souls. But there have also been popes who were worldly, corrupt, politically ruthless, immoral, negligent, or simply unworthy of the office they held. Some were not just “imperfect.” Some were scandalous.

As a Catholic, I do not think we help the Church by pretending otherwise.

The question is not, “Were there bad popes?” Yes, there were. The real question is: does the sinfulness of some popes disprove Catholicism?

I do not believe it does.

But I also do not believe Catholics should respond with denial, defensiveness, or blind loyalty to men who disgraced the office of Peter. The Catholic answer is not that every pope was holy. The Catholic answer is that Christ is holy, even when His ministers are not.

The Catholic Faith Is Not Built on the Personal Holiness of Every Pope

One of the biggest misunderstandings about Catholicism is the idea that Catholics believe the pope is perfect. We do not.

Catholics do not believe the pope is sinless. We do not believe every pope is automatically a saint. We do not believe every papal decision is wise. We do not believe every political opinion, administrative choice, appointment, personal action, or offhand comment of a pope is protected by the Holy Spirit.

Papal infallibility is much narrower than many critics realize. Vatican I taught that the pope is protected from error when, as supreme pastor and teacher of all Christians, he definitively defines a doctrine of faith or morals to be held by the whole Church. Vatican I also made clear that the Holy Spirit was not promised to Peter’s successors so they could invent new doctrine, but so they could guard and faithfully explain the apostolic deposit of faith.

That is very different from saying a pope cannot be corrupt, cowardly, foolish, immoral, political, vain, or personally sinful.

The Catechism says the visible bonds of unity in the Church include one faith received from the apostles, common worship and sacraments, and apostolic succession through Holy Orders. It also teaches that the Church of Christ “subsists in the Catholic Church,” governed by the successor of Peter and the bishops in communion with him, while also acknowledging that many elements of sanctification and truth exist outside her visible confines.

That means a Catholic does not have to defend evil. We defend the faith. We defend the sacraments. We defend the apostolic office. We defend Christ’s promise to His Church.

But we do not have to defend corruption.

The First “Bad Pope” Problem Was Peter Himself

This may sound shocking, but the problem of sinful Church leadership begins in the New Testament.

St. Peter was chosen by Christ. Jesus said to him, “You are Peter,” and gave him the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven. Catholics see this as foundational for the office of Peter and the papacy.

But Peter was not personally flawless.

Peter confessed Jesus as the Christ, but he also misunderstood Christ’s mission. He denied Jesus three times. He needed mercy. He needed restoration. In John 21, Christ did not restore Peter by pretending Peter had never fallen. He restored him by commanding him to feed His sheep.

Even after Pentecost, Peter could still be wrong in conduct. St. Paul says he opposed Cephas, meaning Peter, “to his face” because Peter’s behavior toward Gentile Christians was wrong. That passage matters because it shows that recognizing Peter’s authority does not mean pretending Peter can never be criticized.

So from the very beginning, Catholicism has never depended on the idea that Church leaders are personally sinless. The office is real. The grace is real. The authority is real.

But the man can still be weak.

The Church Is a Visible Kingdom, Not an Invisible Idea

This is also why I cannot accept the idea that Jesus came merely to reform first-century Judaism, or to start some vague, invisible, spiritual association of individual believers with no visible authority, no visible structure, and no visible family.

I believe Jesus came as the Messiah of Israel. He came not to abolish God’s promises, but to fulfill them. He came to restore, fulfill, and universalize the Kingdom of David — not as a temporary political kingdom limited to one nation, but as the Kingdom of God, open to all nations, with Christ Himself as King.

The angel Gabriel says this plainly at the Annunciation. Jesus would receive “the throne of David his father,” reign over the house of Jacob forever, and of His Kingdom there would be no end. That is royal, Davidic, kingdom language. It is not merely private spirituality. It is not merely an invisible religious feeling. It is a Kingdom.

This is one reason Catholics see such importance in Matthew 16. Jesus gives Peter “the keys to the Kingdom of heaven.” In Isaiah 22, the key of the House of David is associated with authority in the royal household. Catholics therefore see a typological connection: Peter is not a replacement for Christ, but the visible steward of Christ the King’s household. The Pope is not the true King. Christ is. But the Pope serves as the visible steward, servant, and vicar of the King.

This also helps explain Catholic devotion to Mary. If Jesus is the Davidic King, then Mary is not just another believer. She is the Mother of the King. In the Davidic kingdom, the queen mother held a special place. Catholic belief that Mary is Queen does not take glory away from Christ; it flows from who Christ is. The Catechism teaches that Mary was exalted by the Lord as “Queen over all things,” and Revelation 12 presents the image of a crowned woman associated with the birth of the Messiah.

The bishops, too, are not merely religious managers or motivational speakers. They are successors of the apostles. The Catechism teaches that Christ governs His Church through Peter and the other apostles, who are present in their successors: the Pope and the college of bishops.

I know some Christians disagree with this Catholic reading. I want to be fair about that. Many Protestants sincerely believe the Church is fundamentally the invisible fellowship of all true believers. Catholics also believe that God knows His own and that grace can work beyond visible Catholic boundaries. But Catholicism insists that the Church is not invisible only. She is visible, sacramental, historical, institutional, familial, and apostolic.

Vatican II teaches that the Church is “constituted and organized in the world as a society,” and that this visible social structure serves the Spirit of Christ in building up the Body of Christ. It also teaches that the Roman Pontiff is the “perpetual and visible principle and foundation of unity” of both bishops and faithful, while each bishop is a visible principle of unity in his own particular church.

And this is where the scandal of bad popes becomes painful, but understandable.

If the Church is a visible Kingdom, a visible family, a visible Body, and a visible household, then she will have visible leaders. And because those leaders are men, they will sometimes be sinful men. Some will be weak. Some will be foolish. Some will be worldly. Some, tragically, will be corrupt.

A visible Church will have visible wounds.

But that does not disprove the Church. In a strange way, it proves exactly what Catholicism teaches about the Church on earth: she is holy because Christ is holy, but she is also made up of sinners who constantly need purification, repentance, and reform.

This is why anti-Catholic arguments often miss the point. They act as if Catholics believe our hope is in the Pope, or in bishops, or in priests, or in any man. We do not. We respect the offices Christ established. We believe authority matters. We believe apostolic succession matters. We believe the Pope and bishops have real responsibilities in the household of God.

But our hope is not in them.

Our hope is in Jesus Christ.

The Pope is not the head of the Church in the ultimate sense. Christ is. The bishops are not the source of grace. Christ is. Priests do not save us by their own power. Christ saves. The Church’s leaders matter because Christ chose to work through visible instruments, but those instruments remain human, fragile, and accountable to God.

So when I see bad popes in history, I do not have to pretend they were good. I can say they were bad. I can say they sinned. I can say they wounded the Church. But I do not have to conclude that Christ abandoned His Church.

A bad steward does not mean there is no King.

A corrupt servant does not mean there is no Master.

A sinful pope does not mean there is no Christ.

It means the Church, like Israel before her, is a divine mystery carried in human hands. And sometimes those hands are dirty.

So How Bad Were the Bad Popes?

Some were very bad.

Pope Stephen VI is remembered for one of the strangest and most disturbing episodes in Church history: the Cadaver Synod. In 897, the corpse of Pope Formosus was exhumed, placed on trial, stripped of papal vestments, mutilated, and thrown into the Tiber River. Later, the Church reversed the actions against Formosus and recognized the validity of his ordinations.

Pope John XII, who reigned in the tenth century, is often listed among the most immoral popes. The Catholic Encyclopedia describes him as a “coarse, immoral man” and says the Lateran was spoken of as a brothel under him. That is not an anti-Catholic source saying this. That is a Catholic source acknowledging a shameful reality.

Pope Benedict IX was another disgraceful figure. The Catholic Encyclopedia bluntly calls him “a disgrace to the Chair of Peter.” He came from a powerful Roman family, treated the papacy almost like a family possession, and was involved in one of the most chaotic periods in papal history.

Pope Alexander VI, Rodrigo Borgia, is perhaps the most infamous Renaissance pope. His name became associated with nepotism, political intrigue, and sexual immorality. Catholic sources acknowledge the scandals surrounding his children and his family favoritism, while historians also recognize that some stories about the Borgias were exaggerated by enemies and later legend.

Pope Leo X was not necessarily “evil” in the same dramatic way as some others, but his worldliness and financial mismanagement helped set the stage for the Protestant Reformation. The Catholic Encyclopedia says jubilees and indulgences were degraded almost entirely into financial transactions during his pontificate, and that Leo left the papacy deeply in debt.

Catholics can and should defend the doctrine of indulgences properly understood, but we should be honest that abuses surrounding indulgences caused real scandal. The Church herself later acted against financial abuses connected to indulgences; New Advent notes that St. Pius V canceled grants of indulgences involving fees or other financial transactions.

These stories are ugly. They should make Catholics uncomfortable. They make me uncomfortable.

But discomfort is not the same as disbelief.

The Catholic Defense Is Not to Defend the Indefensible

A Catholic should never say, “Those popes did nothing wrong.”

That is not apologetics. That is propaganda.

The better Catholic response is this: the sins of bad popes prove the reality of sin, not the falsehood of the Catholic faith.

Bad popes show us what happens when sacred office is treated as power instead of service. They show us what happens when politics, money, family ambition, lust, pride, and corruption enter the sanctuary. They show us why reform is necessary. They show us why the Church must always return to repentance.

The Catholic Church does not ask me to call evil good. In fact, Catholic morality requires the opposite. Sin is sin, even when committed by clergy. Scandal is scandal, even when caused by a pope.

I can defend the papacy without defending every pope.

I can defend apostolic succession without defending nepotism.

I can defend the Eucharist without defending corruption.

I can defend the Catholic faith without pretending every Catholic leader lived it well.

That distinction is everything.

Did Bad Popes Disprove Papal Infallibility?

No, because papal infallibility does not mean papal impeccability.

“Infallibility” means protection from error under specific conditions when the pope definitively teaches the universal Church on faith and morals. “Impeccability” would mean the inability to sin. Catholics do not believe popes are impeccable.

A pope can sin personally. A pope can govern badly. A pope can be a poor administrator. A pope can be politically reckless. A pope can appoint the wrong people. A pope can fail to discipline corruption. A pope can be arrogant, weak, worldly, or immoral.

None of that is the same thing as the Church solemnly binding all Catholics to heresy as part of the deposit of faith.

That is why the bad popes are a scandal, but not a disproof of Catholicism.

In some strange way, they may even point to something deeper. If the Church were merely a human institution, some of these men should have destroyed her. Yet the Mass survived. The sacraments survived. Scripture survived. The creeds survived. Apostolic succession survived. The saints kept coming. Reform kept happening. The Church was wounded, sometimes terribly, but not destroyed.

To me, that does not excuse the scandals. But it does suggest that the Church is held together by something greater than the personal virtue of her worst leaders.

Why Would God Allow Such Men to Become Pope?

This is the hardest question.

I do not know the full answer. No Catholic does.

But Scripture shows us again and again that God works through flawed people. David was chosen by God and still committed grave sins. Peter denied Christ. Judas was one of the Twelve. The apostles argued about greatness. Early Christian communities were filled with conflicts, scandals, and divisions.

God’s people have always needed purification.

That does not mean God approves of evil. It means God can remain faithful even when His people are not.

The bad popes are not proof that sin does not matter. They are proof that sin matters very much. Their sins wounded souls. Their scandals damaged the credibility of the Church. They gave ammunition to enemies of Catholicism and caused confusion among the faithful.

But the sins of men do not erase the promises of Christ.

Jesus did not promise that every shepherd would be holy. He promised that the gates of hell would not prevail against His Church.

A Catholic Can Be Loyal Without Being Blind

This is where I think Catholics need balance.

Some Catholics are so embarrassed by Church history that they begin to doubt everything. Others are so defensive that they refuse to admit anything bad happened. I do not think either approach is right.

A mature Catholic should be able to say:

Yes, there were bad popes.

Yes, some of them were very bad.

Yes, their sins caused scandal.

Yes, Catholics should be honest about that.

No, their sins do not disprove the Eucharist.

No, their sins do not erase apostolic succession.

No, their sins do not invalidate the sacraments.

No, their sins do not make Jesus Christ untrue.

No, I do not have to leave the Church because some men were unworthy of leading her.

That is not blind loyalty. That is faith with open eyes.

How Can I Be Catholic If So Many Popes Were Horrible?

I can be Catholic because my faith is not in the personal holiness of every pope.

My faith is in Jesus Christ.

I am Catholic because of the Eucharist. I am Catholic because of the sacraments. I am Catholic because of the apostolic faith handed down through the centuries. I am Catholic because I believe Christ gave real authority to His Church. I am Catholic because the Church, despite the sins of her members, still gives us Christ.

I remain Catholic not because every pope was worthy of the office, but because I believe Christ established a visible Church, a visible household, and a visible Kingdom — and because Christ, not the Pope, is the true King and final Head of that Church.

The bad popes humble me. They remind me not to idolize Church leaders. They remind me that Catholics must never confuse the Kingdom of God with clerical politics. They remind me that the Church must always be purified, always repentant, always returning to Christ.

They also remind me that I am a sinner too.

It is easy to look at the bad popes and feel disgust. Sometimes we should feel disgust. But I also have to ask myself: have I always lived the Gospel perfectly? Have I never been selfish, proud, lustful, cowardly, angry, dishonest, or worldly? The difference is that my sins are not recorded in history books. Their sins were.

That does not excuse them. It only reminds me why every Catholic, from the pope to the newest convert, needs mercy.

The Church Is Holy Because Christ Is Holy

The Catholic Church is not holy because every Catholic is holy.

The Church is holy because Christ is holy.

The Church is holy because her soul is the Holy Spirit. She is holy because her sacraments give grace. She is holy because her doctrine comes from Christ and the apostles. She is holy because saints continue to rise from her even in dark times.

But her members are sinners. Her clergy are sinners. Her bishops are sinners. Her popes are sinners.

Some popes became saints.

Some became scandals.

Christ remains Christ.

That is why I can stay Catholic. Not because every pope was good, but because Jesus is good. Not because every shepherd was faithful, but because the Good Shepherd is faithful. Not because the Church’s human history is spotless, but because grace is stronger than sin.

A bad pope can disgrace the Chair of Peter.

He cannot erase the promise of Christ.

A corrupt pope can wound the Church.

He cannot make the Eucharist cease to be Christ.

A sinful pope can cause scandal.

He cannot destroy the Gospel.

So yes, the bad popes were real. Some were horrible. Catholics should admit that honestly.

But I am still Catholic because my faith is not built on the perfection of men.

It is built on Jesus Christ, who chose Peter knowing Peter would fall, restored him after his denial, and still told him:

Feed my sheep.

A Short Catechism-Style Answer

Q: How can you be Catholic knowing some popes were so bad?

A: I am not Catholic because every pope was holy. I am Catholic because Christ is holy, and because I believe He founded a visible Church with real authority, real sacraments, and real apostolic succession.

Bad popes can disgrace the office of Peter, but they cannot destroy the promise of Christ.